The opposition has to be in shock:
In front of a packed house, the San Diego City Council approved a controversial mixed-use project in Carmel Valley after hours of public comments.
The One Paseo Project includes the construction of stores and eateries, the expansion of a movie theater and the addition of more than 600 family apartments and a parking structure in Carmel Valley.
The San Diego Planning Commission approved the proposal for the $750 million, 1.4 million square-foot, mixed-use village slated for the corner of Del Mar Heights Road and El Camino Real. The panel agreed to the plan on the condition that developer Kilroy Realty agreed to make 11 changes to the master plan.
On Monday night, the San Diego City Council approved the plan 7-2, though they did say Kilroy must add 60 affordable housing units and a sychronized traffic system. Council President Sherri Lightner and Council President Pro Tem Marti Emerald were the dissenting votes.
Hundreds showed up Monday to hear the debate at council chambers — so many that Golden Hall had to be used as an overflow area. About 600 people signed up to speak on the issue, many wearing red shirts to show their opposition to One Paseo.
The Carmel Valley Planning Board voted against the current proposal but its members have said they support a smaller version of the plan.
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If we still had intrepid newspaper reporters, they would follow the money on this story.
democracy in action.
The city council held a forum to hear the complaints from its citizens, but decided to vote in favor of the project anyway due to successful lobbying by the developer. the city council knows their jobs are secure come re-election time.
those dissenting votes on the council were probably not needed by the developer.
Developers are no longer building closed in malls. The deal for the last decade or so has been “mixed use development”.
XXX sq. ft. of retail, XXX sq. ft. of office space, etc.
Basically it’s getting back to the way neighborhoods were constructed before WW II. Except they’re bigger in height and have more density. Which makes sense because we’re a much a bigger country now.
But the group that is 60+ grew up on 50s/60s style suburban type development-low rise, spread out. We’re not that nation anymore.
The 50 & under group mostly likes density and walkability, so they’ll support this.
Is this development on open land, or will they have to tear down a bunch of stuff to put it up?
Some of these mixed use developments around the country have encroached on areas people like and have been met with fierce neighborhood resistance.
I seriously doubt a family would choose to live in a dense community development over a nice suburban home with it’s own back yard , maybe a nice view etc…
Upscale Dense developments are mostly for singles and childless couples.
Not-so Upscale dense developments are for the poor who mostly wish they could own a SFH.
In short it’s what TPTB are trying to sell the public, but most families would really rather live in the Burbs.
jd,
It is open land, ready to build. The center across the street is jam-packed with locals and more retail is needed.
It is interesting who they are planning to bring in (scroll down):
http://www.onepaseo.com/#!leasing/c1yzj
Sounds like more traffic gridlock in “Stucco Canyon”
To me the main Objection was of locals having no say, as that just I don’t have a dog in this fight other than that.
But at the same time I don’t think anyone really debated the Commercial side of it (but it is just a shopping center/mall at the end of the day no matter what they say.
The main objection was the residential density.
Maybe they could have done without the high rise.
anyway IMO.
So who’s town is next ?
Build 600 new residential units plus a half million square feet of retail space along an already congested traffic corridor, without any provisions for mass transit. This is the LAification of San Diego. Your neighborhood is next. I hope you like sitting in gridlocked traffic.
“I seriously doubt a family would choose to live in a dense community development over a nice suburban home with it’s own back yard , maybe a nice view etc…”
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Depends on work location and quality of local schools mostly. The adjacent area to One Paseo has a lot of condos/apts in a dense setting and they are loaded with families who live there to get their kids into the great area schools and they probably can’t afford an SFR in the area. Lots of people choose small attached housing over SFRs to get into a certain area.
“probably can’t afford an SFR in the area” is the key word,
Meaning all else being equal they would choose a SFR’s if they could afford it.
They would not choose the apartment over a SFR.
In the real world all else is not equal.
Yes in this case (and maybe many others) But, that does not mean the demand for SFH’s is not there for those who have the means.
Or that a family would choose a apartment if they could afford a SFH.
I an see a single person not wanting to bother but for a family compromises will be contemplated.
Like maybe a private school for the one kid in elementary school to live in a SFH you could afford in a school district that was just good.
Their new condos will be where all the CV empty-nesters will go once they dump the old McMansions.
Why stay in CV and pay high MR and high prices for less if you don’t have kids?
I don’t think I would choose to live in CV if I did not have school age kids.
Seems to me your just paying high rent to support other people kids at that point.
Costa Rica! (just kidding)
People get attached to their surroundings, and it’s too uncomfortable to move away.
For those who think they don’t have a dog in the fight, yes you do.
No community is an island and sooner or later the practice of this “democratic” process by your elected officials who do not represent you but corporate interest will hit home to you.
The retail jobs it creates will ensure the employees “live where they work”? Really? How much does a condo cost in CV ?
“How much does a condo cost in CV ?” most likely way more than the retail workers make LOL
Maybe the office tower workers.
But I hear the same thing about the Downtown Condo’s in L.A.
But almost all of the New High end Condo owners in the L.A. have to commute to the burbs to their Job’s LOL.
It’s like the google employee’s in SF , yea that worked LoL
“So who’s town is next ?”
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Well just off the top of my head, the Grants are doing Civita in Mission Valley, then there is Stone Creek in Mira Mesa, they are cranking away at PHR Village, there is La Costa Town Sq., all variations on a theme. If Walmart gets blocked from south Scripps Ranch there will probably be something mixed that goes in there eventually.
Bigger is better
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americans-still-want-bigger-homes–even-though-they-should-downsize-instead-165636763.html