Written by Jim the Realtor

May 16, 2010

The lack of transparency aggravates the search for true value. It’s hard enough trying to measure apples-for-apples, with every house having its own location and upgrades to consider.

Be suspicious when you see similar tract houses selling for more than 10% differences:

20 Comments

  1. doughboy

    Jim,

    When you are out and about as much as you are, sifting through all the RE crap in this market, you can see some funny stuff like Mr. Strap on!

  2. Eli

    Jim, you would know better than me but those prices didn’t sound like fraud to me. Firstly, buyers deserve a discount on a distressed house that won’t move for 3-6 months due to bank backlog. Secondly, isn’t the bank responsible to reject the packages? They have the $750K comps don’t they?

  3. shadash

    I understand what you’re saying. You’re basing your prices on the reality of the moment. But all those houses waiting in the wings is a black cloud on the pricing horizon.

  4. The Blur

    Those first houses on Capuchina are in the shadows of power lines. $600’s sound about right to me (not that I’d ever buy a power line house.) Even if they are fraud, if Jenae’s sales count as comps, then so should these. Can’t have it both ways.

    Speaking of LCO, this house was bought in ’06 for $1.33M, and now they’re asking $2M! What bubble?

    http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100029574-7689_Sitio_Algodon_Carlsbad_CA_92009

    Here’s the latest comp, which apparently means nothing:

    http://www.redfin.com/CA/Carlsbad/7699-Sitio-Algodon-92009/home/7488825

    Like you say, Jim, BUYER BEWARE.

  5. Dirk

    Jim,

    I heard a story in the OC of a guy who bought a home through a ‘moderator’. The moderator marketed the property as a short sale, before the bank was approached and before it agreed to the short sale, After obtaining a buyer who agreed to commission terms, the ‘moderator’ approached the bank with an offer (at or below the buyers offer price, can’t be sure). Anyway, I’m sure we’ll here more about ‘moderators’ in the future.

  6. alles_klar

    My friends and I call Corte Romero COLD alley, for Coldesac Of Lost Dreams. Lots of young families bought in that hood during the bubble and lived the highlife off of HELOCS for a few years. Many of the primary income earners were mortgage brokers or real estate agents.

    The bubble burst woke them up, however. I expect a good number of additional distressed sales on that street.

  7. tj & the bear

    The Blur,

    That first listing has 5 pictures and none of them really show the house! LMAO!!!

  8. Art Eclectic

    Haha, tj! You’re right. When there are no actual pictures of the house, that just can’t be good.

    Idiot realtors…..

  9. Eric

    What is exactly is the fraud? And how exactly was the same day sale at $750g not recorded? Or was it recorded at the wrong price and that is the fraud?

  10. chris g

    What you are seeing is nothing more than a symptom of a weak market!

    I would be scared to buy into that neighborhood because of all the weak hands. That is just too much turnover.

  11. LM

    Jims vid shows how a REAL realtor earns their commission. If you were buying in that hood I bet not even 3% of the realtors out there could give you a brief 10 min summary on the situation just like Jim did.

  12. justme@yahoo.com

    LM – not even if you asked them to, not that we should have to ask.

  13. MarkB

    #9 Eric.

    A few weeks ago Jim put up a video about that deal. A/an investor/s lined up a buyer before they bought the house themself. Then they bought the house from the bank for 675 and sold it the same day to the buyer for 750 which Jim referred to as a “double escrow” that is explicitly against the rules. That video has a great comment stream if you go back and dig it up.

  14. Jim the Realtor

    The explanation of the double escrow starts at 3:58 of this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO9osAQ4D4Y

    The sale stands out because they recorded it twice in the same day – first for $675,000, then for $750,000. The doc numbers are one apart, which means they were recorded together, and implicates the escrow company as having knowledge of the double escrow (which is illegal if not disclosed to all parties).

    The buyer who paid the $750,000 spoke about the deal, and the first word out of her mouth was “shady”, because she could never get the facts, just vague ideas from the agent.

    Her closing was delayed because the flipper’s short sale wasn’t ready to close yet. Undoubtably there were many shenanigans involved.

  15. m'shell

    The Blur and tj

    I have seen that house on Algodon inside and out and it’s amazing… every detail of it. I will agree about the idiot realtor. Why post any pics at all? It’s a shame they messed this one up coming out of the gate. La Costa Oaks could use a “pick me up”. Get the darn thing priced right and at the very least, a home being marketed at over 2 million should have some decent photos.

    Jim, the headset strap on was a hoot. I got my chuckle of the day!

  16. sdduuuude

    shadash has a good point about the discount for PITA (Pain In The Arse) transactions (short sales, REOs, dealing w/ the bank) deserving a discount. The 750 were “full retail” while the others were not. Still, 80K seems a pretty big difference.

  17. Nicholas Weaver

    Having bought a REO from the bank, with a fair amount of PitA factor, yeah, the bank left $50K-100K on the table through incompetence.

    But at the same time, a double escrow without telling the bank is fraudulent, and the bank would say “F-you” to that without a question, since the point of a short-sale is to sell at market price, and if it was approved at $650K, the bank would trivially approve it at $750K.

    Jim: Additional question which might be worth looking at, was the listing agent also the buyer’s agent in this? And did the agent effectively get a DOUBLE commission, one for the bank sale and one for the flip sale?

  18. Jim the Realtor

    Because only one sale was recorded in the MLS, we don’t know for sure, but it appears that Henry double-dipped on the first sale, (he marked the buyer’s agent as “out-of-town agent”) and represented the seller on the flip – making it three “sides”.

    The short-sale bank paid him either 5-6% on the $675,000, or at least $33,750, and then he might have discounted his listing side on the flip? Let’s call it 1.5% of the $750,000, or $11,250.

    Total of $45,000.

  19. Nicholas Weaver

    Does the record show who the flipper is? Is the flipper related to the agent?

  20. Jeeman

    When I was working with my realtor, I told her that I’m a big DIYer, with information at my fingertips.

    But it’s this kind of research (in the video) that separates the n00bs from the big boys. If I were in that neighborhood and paid $650k with a guy like Jim by my side when others were paying almost $100k more, it would be worth every penny in commissions.

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