From the nctimes.com:
A proposal to put a pier near the mouth of Agua Hedionda Lagoon in Carlsbad may become the latest battleground in the city’s multiyear effort to update a planning document that will guide future growth in the seaside town.
Kathy Wagner, a Carlsbad resident who belongs to a surf-loving family, is sending out e-mails and encouraging everyone she knows to attend Wednesday’s Planning Commission meeting to hear what the city is proposing for its waterfront.
“I’d just like to see the information get out so people can make an informed decision,” she said Tuesday.
During the commission meeting, set for 6 p.m. Wednesday at City Hall, commissioners will hear a presentation on three draft “concept” plans that each offer a different vision of what Carlsbad could look like.
The concepts, created through the assistance of the city-sponsored Envision Carlsbad Citizens Committee, are part of the city’s efforts to update its General Plan —- a massive, state-required document that spells out how the city will handle everything from traffic congestion to low-income housing needs in the decades to come.
Carlsbad last updated its General Plan in 1994. The new update, which is expected to cost nearly $1.4 million, began in 2009 and is scheduled to conclude in late 2013.
At their Wednesday night meeting, the planning commissioners will review the concept plans and offer comments on which one they think ought to move forward.
One of the three plans, called “Concept B —- Active Waterfront,” contains the pier proposal, among other suggested developments for the city’s coastline. The pier would be located just south of the mouth of Agua Hedionda Lagoon.
The Active Waterfront plan also suggests creating a coastal pedestrian promenade, stretching from just north of Carlsbad Boulevard’s intersection with Palomar Airport Road to the southern city limits. More coastal hotels, restaurants and housing also are envisioned in the plan.
A second plan, called “Centers,” would encourage the growth of so-called mixed-use projects —- developments that contain housing and shops. This plan recommends that mixed-use development be encouraged in the city’s downtown Village area, its Barrio and its Plaza Camino Real mall, among other places.
The final concept plan, known as the “Core Focus” plan, calls for building more homes near or in the city’s employment centers. It has been fiercely opposed by Bressi Ranch residents because it would support building a high-density housing project along Palomar Airport Road.
In late January, about 150 people turned out for a city workshop to voice their opposition to that concept plan. Many said they wanted the proposed housing site to remain zoned for industrial uses only.
Almost sounds like Carlsbad is trying to go the route of Santa Monica. Given how dead the Village is on a typical weekend, may not be such a bad idea.
Kind of a strange spot for a pier. Pier’s do tend to create commercial activity but I’m not sure how successful it will be next to a power plant. As far as I can tell the California Energy Commission is in favor of the new power plant at the same location.
http://www.energy.ca.gov/releases/2012_releases/2012-03-28_revised_proposed_decision_carlsbad_nr.html
Yeah, I was thinking that. Santa Monica has the pier and Carlsbad has the smokestack!
I wish Carlsbad would have taken the Dana Point or Newport route with higher end hotels and nice restaurants. Seems Carlsbad will become nothing more than Oceanside-South now.
What exactly do you do with a pier?
Fish? They aren’t going to have any ocean liners docking there. It will be another local folly for fishermen, which I’m guessing is even a smaller group than the golfers for whom they built the city golf course, and are subsidizing with $1,000,000 each year.
It’s a good thing that they have $100 million in the bank?
Oceanside already has a pier, don’t think we need another one so close, maybe further south?
No one wants High density in their hood, and the high density housing would be better next to public transport than one particular biz area.
I think that is the major flaw in the grand planning scheme,
Fact 1) People like their mc-mansions in the burbs,
Fact2) No one wants High density in their hood, but they want it in your hood.
The pier idea is contained in one of three seperate “concept” plans. All of which have their own pros & cons. I like the extending the water walk through southern Carlsbad idea in general terms. Also like the mixed use concept for the village, and don’t understand why many of the existing village commerical properties haven’t turned (returned?) into work/live space. Perhaps, it’s a zoning thing. Don’t care for any concept that includes density and construction where none already exists coastal (that includes the stupid pier idea). Keep what little that’s left from being built on, that’s what keeps Carlsbad appealing.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/3275-Lower-Ridge-Rd-92130/home/4458588
Just noticed this new listing of yours. Can you explain the rationale behind your pricing on this one? The location is dreadful one must say.
Dreadful to casual observers maybe. Come by today 1-4pm and we’ll talk about it.
Speaking of Carlsbad upscale, it looks like the Hilton “Oceanfront” Resort is ready to open in about 3 months. Any word in how upscale this will be? The marketing materials are using fancy words like “world-class.”
I would add, that a lot of retail space is just sitting empty right now, (of course we always need more tourist trap trinkets and art shops).
The Big Box stores and online shopping have just about completely killed the small retail shop. I really don’t see a big revival in the small retail store.
Profhoff – if you look at the existing Hilton Garden Inn on Carlsbad Blvd, that’s probably the nicest hotel on the Carlsbad coastline…and that isn’t saying much. This whole focus on the live/work thing that Carlsbad has taken on in the last few years has turned this town into something I wish it weren’t. Prepare for an exodus.
What has it turned into? The Village seems a bit haphazard to me – something with a lot of potential that hasn’t been realized yet. I think the vibe Encinitas has going is working and that’s migrating toward “live/work” with the Whole Foods complex and the other condo complex up the street.
The development across from Ponto Beach could be nice – but I guess time will tell.
http://hiltoncarlsbadoceanfront.com/
I am going to guess that no one who works in the small shops and restaurants on PCH lives anywhere even close to walking distance to their work.
And that most of the people who do live walking distance to these shops and restaurants commute down to Qcom or similar place.
We really need to poll these people who work in these place (other than the school age kids), where they live, can they walk there or is it a hour bus ride away.
This is a great idea to buit a pier in Carlsbad. I live in Carlsbad for 22 years and I love it. Promenede concept also great. I have a dream for part of Carlsbad Blvd from the place were used to be Split Pavilion to the end of Tamarack to be closed to traffic and make a promenade because cars and specially the motocycles make to much noise and bulevard is so crowdly on weekends. I also think that city of Carlsbad should limit dog’s access to bulevard because not every owner pick up after their pets, specialy on their mornings walks and how about dogs urine on the sidewalk which smells bad in summer?
I think the dogs owners shoud flash after their dog urinate. There is plenty of water in ocean to do it. You clean after your dog in your house and you can clean sidewalk which belong to everbody.
I also have a crazy(?)dream for th city to built an artificial, tropical island on the ocean which would attract the seals and the people because there isn’t anything on the ocean to look at, only lonely, beautiful horizon and water. You lucy if you see 1 or 2 boats on weekend.Best regard. Pauline Wrotkowski
Bravo, Pauline Wrotkowski!!!!!!!
Hope your dreams will become a reality!!!!!
The pier will be a terrific place for the homeless, freelance Christian evangelists as well as various protesters to gather on a warm weekend.
Works that way in Huntington Beach or Santa Monica anyway.