Am I to assume this will be another coal fired power plant? If so, better move it as far East as possible so the prevailing winds will carry the exhaust away from the city.
Tim "Toolman" Taylor
on May 13, 2011 at 10:24 pm
We need more power! Build it. These city types are elitist and want others in the county to bear the burden of producing power to ship to us…NIMBYs.
Carlsbad needs to get over itself.
ps: How is it ‘dangerously close to the freeway’?? Huh? Is McDonalds ‘dangerously close to the freeway. How about Car Country Carlsbad being ‘dangerously close to the freeway’.
Matt
on May 13, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Makes it sound like a bad “accident” either shuts down the freeway for a bit, or could damage it….
kompeitou
on May 13, 2011 at 11:05 pm
These look like 2 simple cycle combustion turbine units (from the 3D modeling). Natural gas fired.
Power is bought, sold, and traded between power companies. When units are down for repairs, power has to be bought from another provider… sometimes many states away. When the power isn’t needed locally, it can be sold somewhere else. However, if SD needed the power, then SD can buy the power from the plant. If you build the plant out in no man’s land then you just increase the cost… which will get passed on to the consumer who will then complain that electricity costs too much.
You already have a power plant there, these two units will be smaller and provided more electricity than the unit its going to replace. I’m sure other states would be happy to build more power plants to generate electricity to sell to CA.
kompeitou
on May 13, 2011 at 11:09 pm
“Dangerously close”….
If I didn’t want ice-cream trucks in my neighborhood I could come up with reasons why they are dangerously close to pedestrians and could possibly be driven by sexual predators. Anything can be made to sound dangerous.
possible dangers: hydrogen explosion, ammonia tank rupture, broken gas main…. oh, and tsunami.
Jack
on May 14, 2011 at 7:02 am
It’s just fugly
anon
on May 14, 2011 at 9:40 am
Already a power plant there. No big.
jerry
on May 14, 2011 at 9:47 am
Seems to me if it doesn’t need to be on the beach, they should place it in a less obtrusive spot and allow the coastal area to be used in a cleaner,better way. Then there is the issue of tsunamis. Never had one here, but Japan did. Makes sense to place our power plants at a slightly higher elevation.
shoppingaround
on May 14, 2011 at 11:24 am
OF course, this is done from a “scary” perspective–all things political do that these days to capture people’s attention. Definitely over-the-top. However, at about 2 minutes into the video, it finally makes clear that their argument is NOT that the power plant shouldn’t be in Carlsbad, just that it shouldn’t be at the beach. I’m all for using properties for their best advantage, as long as you’re not being arbitrary. It seems to make sense that the power plant could be moved to a better location, assuming it doesn’t make the plan completely cost-ineffective. Yes, I’m sure it will cost more to move the plant. The question is how MUCh more and how does that fit into the big financial picture for the power company and for the city (tax-base, etc.)?
College Joe
on May 14, 2011 at 7:05 pm
It’s necessary, but boy does it look awful when you drive up the coast. And now it’s going to look more industrial.
If the city is going to oppose it, they should specify where those “industrial” parts of town are. I don’t think they did that.
At least it’s not in Encinitas! ha
Travis
on May 14, 2011 at 8:04 pm
The video mentions the old power plant will be demolished within 10 years. What happened to the bid by Poseidon to build the desalination plant in the old facility?
Kirby Birdwell
on May 14, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Lets put any new industrial facilities in locations where the local demographics are relatively poor and can not afford large scale legal and lobbying campaigns to support their self serving agenda.
After all, social justice works both ways! The poor in LA County really do not care about new large new industrial plants when they are already living next to oil refineries and trucking terminals. It is really not that far from North County to existing power plant locations that can be expanded with little cumulative impact on the adacent community.
Peter
on May 15, 2011 at 8:13 am
Politicians out for a land grab “dangerously close” to a microphone. Shameless.
MrBee
on May 15, 2011 at 4:48 pm
@Peter: +1
Me thinks the land developers are itching to get their hands on that property. Frankly I think we’re lucky they aren’t thinking of sticking the giant windmills there.
sdbri
on May 16, 2011 at 11:12 am
Exactly, this video is pretty over the top biased. It’s nothing but one sided opinion stated as fact. As pointed out, it’s probably a product of someone even more greedy than the power industry looking for a land grab. Happens all the time, shameless.
sdbri
on May 16, 2011 at 11:15 am
shoppingaround they’re not being arbitrary, just dishonest. They know you need a replacement power plant because transmission can’t cover the gap, but they really just want the land its sitting on. So they could care less if the power plant is moved half a mile away and still causes every single problem this video presents. They don’t give a flying f**k apparently.
Am I to assume this will be another coal fired power plant? If so, better move it as far East as possible so the prevailing winds will carry the exhaust away from the city.
We need more power! Build it. These city types are elitist and want others in the county to bear the burden of producing power to ship to us…NIMBYs.
Carlsbad needs to get over itself.
ps: How is it ‘dangerously close to the freeway’?? Huh? Is McDonalds ‘dangerously close to the freeway. How about Car Country Carlsbad being ‘dangerously close to the freeway’.
Makes it sound like a bad “accident” either shuts down the freeway for a bit, or could damage it….
These look like 2 simple cycle combustion turbine units (from the 3D modeling). Natural gas fired.
Coal fired plants are not being built in CA. (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=California_and_coal)
Power is bought, sold, and traded between power companies. When units are down for repairs, power has to be bought from another provider… sometimes many states away. When the power isn’t needed locally, it can be sold somewhere else. However, if SD needed the power, then SD can buy the power from the plant. If you build the plant out in no man’s land then you just increase the cost… which will get passed on to the consumer who will then complain that electricity costs too much.
You already have a power plant there, these two units will be smaller and provided more electricity than the unit its going to replace. I’m sure other states would be happy to build more power plants to generate electricity to sell to CA.
“Dangerously close”….
If I didn’t want ice-cream trucks in my neighborhood I could come up with reasons why they are dangerously close to pedestrians and could possibly be driven by sexual predators. Anything can be made to sound dangerous.
possible dangers: hydrogen explosion, ammonia tank rupture, broken gas main…. oh, and tsunami.
It’s just fugly
Already a power plant there. No big.
Seems to me if it doesn’t need to be on the beach, they should place it in a less obtrusive spot and allow the coastal area to be used in a cleaner,better way. Then there is the issue of tsunamis. Never had one here, but Japan did. Makes sense to place our power plants at a slightly higher elevation.
OF course, this is done from a “scary” perspective–all things political do that these days to capture people’s attention. Definitely over-the-top. However, at about 2 minutes into the video, it finally makes clear that their argument is NOT that the power plant shouldn’t be in Carlsbad, just that it shouldn’t be at the beach. I’m all for using properties for their best advantage, as long as you’re not being arbitrary. It seems to make sense that the power plant could be moved to a better location, assuming it doesn’t make the plan completely cost-ineffective. Yes, I’m sure it will cost more to move the plant. The question is how MUCh more and how does that fit into the big financial picture for the power company and for the city (tax-base, etc.)?
It’s necessary, but boy does it look awful when you drive up the coast. And now it’s going to look more industrial.
If the city is going to oppose it, they should specify where those “industrial” parts of town are. I don’t think they did that.
At least it’s not in Encinitas! ha
The video mentions the old power plant will be demolished within 10 years. What happened to the bid by Poseidon to build the desalination plant in the old facility?
Lets put any new industrial facilities in locations where the local demographics are relatively poor and can not afford large scale legal and lobbying campaigns to support their self serving agenda.
After all, social justice works both ways! The poor in LA County really do not care about new large new industrial plants when they are already living next to oil refineries and trucking terminals. It is really not that far from North County to existing power plant locations that can be expanded with little cumulative impact on the adacent community.
Politicians out for a land grab “dangerously close” to a microphone. Shameless.
@Peter: +1
Me thinks the land developers are itching to get their hands on that property. Frankly I think we’re lucky they aren’t thinking of sticking the giant windmills there.
Exactly, this video is pretty over the top biased. It’s nothing but one sided opinion stated as fact. As pointed out, it’s probably a product of someone even more greedy than the power industry looking for a land grab. Happens all the time, shameless.
shoppingaround they’re not being arbitrary, just dishonest. They know you need a replacement power plant because transmission can’t cover the gap, but they really just want the land its sitting on. So they could care less if the power plant is moved half a mile away and still causes every single problem this video presents. They don’t give a flying f**k apparently.