Pocket Listings

Written by Jim the Realtor

May 2, 2011

Hat tip to JD for sending this in, from the nytimes.com:

ANY broker would be happy to list Ellen Ball’s co-op apartment in Manhattan.

On a prestigious block in the West Village in a prewar doorman building, the four-bedroom three-bath apartment has been completely renovated and is large enough for a young family.

But there is a hitch. It is not for sale. At least not officially.

Ms. Ball, who is married and has three children, is interested in selling her apartment, but she is not interested in putting it on the market.

She is one of a small group of owners, who, often working closely with brokers they know from past deals, try to avoid the hassle of showing their homes by letting it be known that for the right price, they would be ready to move on. For Ms. Ball, the right price is anywhere from $3.5 million to $4 million.

Among brokers, such a transaction — in which a seller informally engages a broker but doesn’t sign a contract — is referred to as a “pocket deal.” If the broker finds a buyer, he or she will be paid a commission, but there will be no online listings, open houses or advertising of the property.

What the seller wants from the arrangement is a buyer who can meet the asking price, ideally in cash, and be ready to act quickly. Brokers say these deals — happening all across Manhattan, on multimillion-dollar Park Avenue co-ops as well as chic TriBeCa lofts — are interesting more sellers these days.

There are many reasons a seller might take the pocket-deal route. Some are afraid that if they list the apartment and it does not sell for weeks or even months, it will be considered tarnished. Others fear that with buyers expecting bargains, they will be besieged with low-ball offers. Some do not want to keep their homes primped and primed for constant showings. Still others know that potential buyers often fail to get financing at the last minute, thus wasting months.

And, of course, there are some who are holding out for the price they were fantasizing about before the market fell.

Some brokers say pocket sales are increasing because listings for desirable inventory are low. Inventory shrank after a small boomlet last spring, when many owners accepted the reality of the market, priced their apartments accordingly and saw them sell. This spring, it seems, many of those listing their apartments believe the market has recovered more fully than it actually has, and are overpricing their properties.

“It is not that there is a lack of inventory, period,” said Jeremy V. Stein, a broker at Sotheby’s International, who, along with his wife, Robin Stein, is working with Ms. Ball to find potential buyers. “It is that there is a lack of inventory priced right.”

Yet for all the explanations that sellers may offer to justify keeping their homes off the market, pocket deals are frowned upon by many in the industry.

“I do not think this is a really good way for most people to sell their apartment,” said Pamela Liebman, the president of the Corcoran Group. Often, she said, a person who declares an interest in selling an apartment without listing it is not serious. In many cases, brokers find that these deals are not worth the trouble. Instead of using the tried-and-true tools for moving Manhattan properties, like advertising them and holding open houses, brokers are forced to play matchmaker — and in this city, where real estate passions run hot, it isn’t easy being Cupid.

 “I think ultimately the sellers hurt themselves,” Ms. Liebman said.

The term “pocket deal” usually implies that a broker is intimately involved in working with the seller, despite the lack of an official listing. But sometimes property owners just put the word out on the wind.

For instance, the owners of a mansion at 16 East 69th Street, once owned by a member of the Vanderbilt family, never signed an exclusive deal with a broker. But they let it be known that if a broker had a client who might be interested in the house, he or she could show the property. In the end, although various brokers took clients through, no broker was given a commission on the $47 million sale.

Such deals can be more expensive than they would be on the open market.

“When you buy an apartment that is not listed,” Mr. Gomes said, “there is often a premium attached.” He noted that the Brazilian buyer probably paid around $100,000 more for the neighboring apartment than she would have had it been on the market.

But he also cited a certain pride that came with getting something no one else can.

“They boast about it,” he said. “ ‘It wasn’t even on the market and I got it.’ ”

Ms. Ball, meanwhile, has another worry. Not only does she have to sell her place, she also has to find an apartment in the same general area with more space within her family’s budget.

“We are not trying to time the market,” she said. “You have to do what is right for your life.”

And with three small children, she said, staging open houses and keeping the apartment ready to show at all times is too difficult.

Ms. Ball and her family will spend most of their time at their house in the Hamptons this summer. If they have not found a buyer willing to match their price by then, she said, it might be time to list the place for sale. 

9 Comments

  1. Jim the Realtor

    The biggest problem not discussed is trying to actually get the seller to commit – because their motivation to sell is suspect.

    She says at the end of the article that she needs to find a new home too, and that hasn’t happened yet.

    If someone makes an offer, the seller will counter at a higher price and complicate it with additional terms so they have time to find the new home – because they are comfortable.

    These only work if the buyer is crazy about the place, will pay any price.

    If the sellers were highly motivated to sell, they would list it with the best broker they could find.

  2. Mozart

    This to me is a real value a Broker can bring to a home purchase, the off market listings.

    With redfin, sdlookup, etc., all the information previously kept by the real estate agent out of public view is now readily available to anyone.

    Most of those selling right now are not “realistic” in that they are selling electively. As I search for real estate now it is increasingly obvious that anything for sale or on the market is priced with a lottery mentality and equally unmotivated as the woman in this article. Might be better to look for rentals and ask the landlord if they’d like to sell.

  3. tj & the bear

    “Lottery mentality” or a need to hit a number to either get out from under a place or make their retirement plans work.

  4. 3rd Generation

    How about the theory that some wealthy sellers just doesn’t want to deal with the riff-raff of the general public/blogosphere geniuses or so-called ‘competing’ Realtors (capital R)?

    Think about it.

  5. BootyJuice

    I have both purchased and sold through pocket listings with good results. Not recommending, just saying.

  6. james

    JtR, thanks for posting. I can really see this being a lot more popular in a place like NYC due to the cash flow from potential buyers and multiple levels of million dollar homes. Its safeto say that in NYC there is no such thing as a drive by to check the place out.

    does anyone know if this is happening at the higher end here in sd? Maybe for some super exclusive properties or at all price brakets?

  7. Geotpf

    I believe NYC has no MLS at all, so Realtors are a bit more important in general than in SoCal where 99% of the houses for sale are listed on websites like Redfin.

  8. Sean

    Let’s not overlook the other big reason for the pocket listing – it guarantees the agent a round trip commission with no marketing expenses incurred. We see this in our small town in greater Los Angeles ALOT.

  9. jimilinkage

    Here’s what you do:
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    Here’s what happens next:
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