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		<title>By: Jansen</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25560</link>
		<dc:creator>Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is the worst of all possible outcomes, IMHO.&quot;

Worse than the dissolution of the USA via social unrest?  To me, thats a worse possible outcome - but I guess we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is the worst of all possible outcomes, IMHO.&#8221;</p>
<p>Worse than the dissolution of the USA via social unrest?  To me, thats a worse possible outcome &#8211; but I guess we&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: CA renter</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25438</link>
		<dc:creator>CA renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s the argument used to convince the PTB to destroy our country via inflation.

You can&#039;t have asset inflation and wage deflation at the same time without causing tremendous social and economic dislocations.  By trying to artificially prop up asset prices (while not addressing the multi-decade wage stagnation/deflation), they are forcing Americans into poverty even faster than they would with deflation.  As it is going now, we are losing purchasing power by the day.  This is the worst of all possible outcomes, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s the argument used to convince the PTB to destroy our country via inflation.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t have asset inflation and wage deflation at the same time without causing tremendous social and economic dislocations.  By trying to artificially prop up asset prices (while not addressing the multi-decade wage stagnation/deflation), they are forcing Americans into poverty even faster than they would with deflation.  As it is going now, we are losing purchasing power by the day.  This is the worst of all possible outcomes, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Jansen</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25402</link>
		<dc:creator>Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;NOT good for our economy nor for our society.&quot;

Ca renter - thats debatable isnt it.  The masters of the universe decided we were looking at a potential deflationary feedback loop.  If it were true, we would not have &quot;creative destruction&quot; via the levers of supply and demand but just &quot;destruction&quot; as people in all sectors did the rational thing and held out for lower and lower prices (ignoring the fact their personal balance sheets were getting lower and lower due to others doing the same thing).

Not only is mere &quot;destruction&quot; not a societal good, it carries with it the potential for tremendous instability.  Can you imagine what would be the popular response if the govt merely sat back and said &quot;we wont intervene, long term it is good for you&quot;???

That type of response is a recipe for revolution.  Dont think it cant happen here?  The US is less than 300 years old.  Empires that lasted thousands of years longer than or grand experiment are long gone.  If they could go the way of the dinosaur, so could we.

The argument for the lost decade a la japan is that it allows society to adjust, slowly to the inevitable.  There is no revolution in japan because younger generations grow up in the system and thats all they know.  They dont remember the good old days, nor do they expect them.

It was a faustian bargain indeed.  Rip the band aid off at risk to your survival, or ease the pressure out slowly over time.  

Not saying they made the right choice, nor am I saying that revolution was even a likelyhood, but thats the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NOT good for our economy nor for our society.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ca renter &#8211; thats debatable isnt it.  The masters of the universe decided we were looking at a potential deflationary feedback loop.  If it were true, we would not have &#8220;creative destruction&#8221; via the levers of supply and demand but just &#8220;destruction&#8221; as people in all sectors did the rational thing and held out for lower and lower prices (ignoring the fact their personal balance sheets were getting lower and lower due to others doing the same thing).</p>
<p>Not only is mere &#8220;destruction&#8221; not a societal good, it carries with it the potential for tremendous instability.  Can you imagine what would be the popular response if the govt merely sat back and said &#8220;we wont intervene, long term it is good for you&#8221;???</p>
<p>That type of response is a recipe for revolution.  Dont think it cant happen here?  The US is less than 300 years old.  Empires that lasted thousands of years longer than or grand experiment are long gone.  If they could go the way of the dinosaur, so could we.</p>
<p>The argument for the lost decade a la japan is that it allows society to adjust, slowly to the inevitable.  There is no revolution in japan because younger generations grow up in the system and thats all they know.  They dont remember the good old days, nor do they expect them.</p>
<p>It was a faustian bargain indeed.  Rip the band aid off at risk to your survival, or ease the pressure out slowly over time.  </p>
<p>Not saying they made the right choice, nor am I saying that revolution was even a likelyhood, but thats the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: CA renter</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25398</link>
		<dc:creator>CA renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geotpf,

Like shadash mentioned above, there is a lot of money out there desperately looking for good investments.  If the banks were allowed to fail (while depositors were protected via FDIC), others would have taken their place.  The added benefit would be the re-pricing of risk.  Interest rates would be higher, and people would be more cautious about borrowing and lending.  

What we saw during the credit bubble (which includes our current market, BTW) is NOT good for our economy nor for our society.  Low interest rates and easy money might keep unemployment numbers lower than they might be otherwise, but they lead to even bigger problems down the road.  

The &quot;Greatest Depression&quot; has not been averted, it&#039;s only been delayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geotpf,</p>
<p>Like shadash mentioned above, there is a lot of money out there desperately looking for good investments.  If the banks were allowed to fail (while depositors were protected via FDIC), others would have taken their place.  The added benefit would be the re-pricing of risk.  Interest rates would be higher, and people would be more cautious about borrowing and lending.  </p>
<p>What we saw during the credit bubble (which includes our current market, BTW) is NOT good for our economy nor for our society.  Low interest rates and easy money might keep unemployment numbers lower than they might be otherwise, but they lead to even bigger problems down the road.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;Greatest Depression&#8221; has not been averted, it&#8217;s only been delayed.</p>
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		<title>By: non_chargers_fan</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25365</link>
		<dc:creator>non_chargers_fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the largest assumption in this article is the Chargers making the playoffs! (=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the largest assumption in this article is the Chargers making the playoffs! (=</p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25347</link>
		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the TARP at all.  I like 30% unemployment less.  I didn&#039;t say the TARP was a good choice; I said it was the least worst choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the TARP at all.  I like 30% unemployment less.  I didn&#8217;t say the TARP was a good choice; I said it was the least worst choice.</p>
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		<title>By: sika</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25343</link>
		<dc:creator>sika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow - 79 legitimate guesses with a spread of over 10,000 units, and a good chance the real number STILL falls on the low side?

And this was 3 months ago - govt manipulation hasnt changed, extend and pretend hasnt changed, nothing has changed, and yet, the group still couldnt come up with a realistic prediction.

Just goes to show how far the expectations of the bloggers here are detatched from reality...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow &#8211; 79 legitimate guesses with a spread of over 10,000 units, and a good chance the real number STILL falls on the low side?</p>
<p>And this was 3 months ago &#8211; govt manipulation hasnt changed, extend and pretend hasnt changed, nothing has changed, and yet, the group still couldnt come up with a realistic prediction.</p>
<p>Just goes to show how far the expectations of the bloggers here are detatched from reality&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Local Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25320</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throw out the non-contingent short sales and you have NO INVENTORY in some areas!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throw out the non-contingent short sales and you have NO INVENTORY in some areas!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JordanT</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25318</link>
		<dc:creator>JordanT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JtR does not count contingent as current inventory.  That&#039;s because you can&#039;t go make an offer on the house right now.  I agree with this tactic because how many people are touring contingent houses and making offers on them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JtR does not count contingent as current inventory.  That&#8217;s because you can&#8217;t go make an offer on the house right now.  I agree with this tactic because how many people are touring contingent houses and making offers on them?</p>
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		<title>By: pemeliza</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/18/tricklin-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25317</link>
		<dc:creator>pemeliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JTR, where are you getting your current inventory number from?  housingtracker.net shows 11,789 as of 11-16.  sdlookup.com is showing 12,217 currently.

Are you counting houses and condos?

Perhaps you are excluding contingent listings but then I don&#039;t see why there was a drop from 11,457 in August to 8,149 in September.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JTR, where are you getting your current inventory number from?  housingtracker.net shows 11,789 as of 11-16.  sdlookup.com is showing 12,217 currently.</p>
<p>Are you counting houses and condos?</p>
<p>Perhaps you are excluding contingent listings but then I don&#8217;t see why there was a drop from 11,457 in August to 8,149 in September.</p>
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