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		<title>By: Desert Realtor</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/07/grandmas-house/comment-page-1/#comment-24695</link>
		<dc:creator>Desert Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LocalBoy - I&#039;m not confused.  1031 exchange escrows can produce some very odd transaction reports that end up on the property tax rolls and property profile reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LocalBoy &#8211; I&#8217;m not confused.  1031 exchange escrows can produce some very odd transaction reports that end up on the property tax rolls and property profile reports.</p>
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		<title>By: pemeliza</title>
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		<dc:creator>pemeliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CAR, I believe that your patience will ultimately payoff.  Just the last couple of weeks I have seen some new listings in Carlsbad at prices that are clearly lower than a few months ago.  I think we will definitely see a leg down in pricing this winter.  I think if I was looking at north county coastal I would have waited like you are.  There are so many distressed properties up there because of all the new construction during the bubble years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAR, I believe that your patience will ultimately payoff.  Just the last couple of weeks I have seen some new listings in Carlsbad at prices that are clearly lower than a few months ago.  I think we will definitely see a leg down in pricing this winter.  I think if I was looking at north county coastal I would have waited like you are.  There are so many distressed properties up there because of all the new construction during the bubble years.</p>
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		<title>By: CA renter</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/07/grandmas-house/comment-page-1/#comment-24663</link>
		<dc:creator>CA renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;CAR, I don’t think you could get a place like that in north-west Leucadia for under 500k. Jim’s I-5 listing on the oside-cbad border brought 600k on a smaller lot. Cardiff is way more $$$ and this listing is way off the I-5. Also the composer area is a very desirable ‘hood.

I would be surprised if they don’t have a full price cash offer by now...&lt;/i&gt;

pemeliza &#124; November 8th, 2009 at 6:01 am
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Yes, I agree with all that you&#039;ve said, which is exactly why we aren&#039;t making an offer on it.  We know somebody else will gladly pay more than we&#039;d be willing to pay, so we wait...  

We&#039;re looking for our final house, so we&#039;re willing to wait for the right house at the right price (hat tip, JTR).  That house would require about $200K worth of work to get it exactly where we want it, and $900K (all in) is too much for something like that, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>CAR, I don’t think you could get a place like that in north-west Leucadia for under 500k. Jim’s I-5 listing on the oside-cbad border brought 600k on a smaller lot. Cardiff is way more $$$ and this listing is way off the I-5. Also the composer area is a very desirable ‘hood.</p>
<p>I would be surprised if they don’t have a full price cash offer by now&#8230;</i></p>
<p>pemeliza | November 8th, 2009 at 6:01 am<br />
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<p>Yes, I agree with all that you&#8217;ve said, which is exactly why we aren&#8217;t making an offer on it.  We know somebody else will gladly pay more than we&#8217;d be willing to pay, so we wait&#8230;  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re looking for our final house, so we&#8217;re willing to wait for the right house at the right price (hat tip, JTR).  That house would require about $200K worth of work to get it exactly where we want it, and $900K (all in) is too much for something like that, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Local Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/07/grandmas-house/comment-page-1/#comment-24656</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desert Realtor-You may have confused tax codes.

A 1031 Tax Deferred Exchange deals with an investor&#039;s Capital Gains (income tax), and affects the tax basis for accounting purposes.

Tax Rolls deal with &quot;Property Tax&quot;.  The Tax Assessor is not privy to one&#039;s accounting tax basis&#039;.  They assess based on the investor&#039;s new purchase price, therfore, exchanges can not skew the tax rolls.

There is however, a tax code for those over 55 (I think 55) which allows them a one-time property tax-base transfer of their primary residence, allowing them to move their tax basis--this may skew property tax rolls???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desert Realtor-You may have confused tax codes.</p>
<p>A 1031 Tax Deferred Exchange deals with an investor&#8217;s Capital Gains (income tax), and affects the tax basis for accounting purposes.</p>
<p>Tax Rolls deal with &#8220;Property Tax&#8221;.  The Tax Assessor is not privy to one&#8217;s accounting tax basis&#8217;.  They assess based on the investor&#8217;s new purchase price, therfore, exchanges can not skew the tax rolls.</p>
<p>There is however, a tax code for those over 55 (I think 55) which allows them a one-time property tax-base transfer of their primary residence, allowing them to move their tax basis&#8211;this may skew property tax rolls???</p>
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		<title>By: clearfund</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/07/grandmas-house/comment-page-1/#comment-24651</link>
		<dc:creator>clearfund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drank the kool aid - business is interesting but busy.  I do not believe that we are close enough to a bottom in SD due to many factors discussed here.  Thus I am tentative at best for SD.  Obviously there are deals here and there, but not the type that give me a sleep at night, long term comfort level.

Lots of safe opportunities for investing if you use common sense and a rear view mirror longer than 2002 for value perspective. Investing, not speculating (very different..and this market is full of speculators claiming to be investors).

I am more positive on investing in areas where the prices are much lower relative to incomes that they are here.  I also use a definition of an average house that is much more &#039;mid level manager&#039; than the standard median priced home here in SD represents.  Thus apples to apples I can get a mid level mgr house house for $200k in Phoenix (well above the median, etc) which would cost over $600k here.

Residential: We are more interested in short term lending to investors than we are in owning the assets in current market environment with very little near term investment upside (we don&#039;t like to gamble on the speculative upside, only upside due to fundamentals).  Would rather hit lots of singles and doubles than strikeout with an occasional homerun.

Commercial: GOLDMINE IS OPENING.  Makes the housing market look like chump change.  Buying for high yield (12% plus) in brand new bldgs that are in foreclosure but didn&#039;t get a chance to lease-up.  Hold for 3-5 years, stabilize, cash equity out and cash flow for years to come with lots of balance sheet equity and well below replacement costs and low leverage.

We typically pool investors into property funds and manage the deal on our collective behalf.  Residential we pool investors into funds to handle 50+/- properties at any given time.  commercial we pool funds on a property by property basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drank the kool aid &#8211; business is interesting but busy.  I do not believe that we are close enough to a bottom in SD due to many factors discussed here.  Thus I am tentative at best for SD.  Obviously there are deals here and there, but not the type that give me a sleep at night, long term comfort level.</p>
<p>Lots of safe opportunities for investing if you use common sense and a rear view mirror longer than 2002 for value perspective. Investing, not speculating (very different..and this market is full of speculators claiming to be investors).</p>
<p>I am more positive on investing in areas where the prices are much lower relative to incomes that they are here.  I also use a definition of an average house that is much more &#8216;mid level manager&#8217; than the standard median priced home here in SD represents.  Thus apples to apples I can get a mid level mgr house house for $200k in Phoenix (well above the median, etc) which would cost over $600k here.</p>
<p>Residential: We are more interested in short term lending to investors than we are in owning the assets in current market environment with very little near term investment upside (we don&#8217;t like to gamble on the speculative upside, only upside due to fundamentals).  Would rather hit lots of singles and doubles than strikeout with an occasional homerun.</p>
<p>Commercial: GOLDMINE IS OPENING.  Makes the housing market look like chump change.  Buying for high yield (12% plus) in brand new bldgs that are in foreclosure but didn&#8217;t get a chance to lease-up.  Hold for 3-5 years, stabilize, cash equity out and cash flow for years to come with lots of balance sheet equity and well below replacement costs and low leverage.</p>
<p>We typically pool investors into property funds and manage the deal on our collective behalf.  Residential we pool investors into funds to handle 50+/- properties at any given time.  commercial we pool funds on a property by property basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Realtor</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/07/grandmas-house/comment-page-1/#comment-24650</link>
		<dc:creator>Desert Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JtR, I&#039;ve seen numerous faulty tax rolls too - those 1031 exchanges can really skew the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JtR, I&#8217;ve seen numerous faulty tax rolls too &#8211; those 1031 exchanges can really skew the numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: pemeliza</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/11/07/grandmas-house/comment-page-1/#comment-24642</link>
		<dc:creator>pemeliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susie, Cardiff is one end of an extreme.  635k would have a great deal for that house but not everyone looking to buy is going to the courthouse.  There are a lot of risks as JTR has pointed out.  

There are still plenty of places in and around SD where you can get a decent house for $299k.  My friend just bought a 2100 sq. ft. house built in 2004 for 265k on 1/2 acre.  The house sold for 600k at the peak.  It can be done but you will have to give up on living a couple of blocks from the beach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susie, Cardiff is one end of an extreme.  635k would have a great deal for that house but not everyone looking to buy is going to the courthouse.  There are a lot of risks as JTR has pointed out.  </p>
<p>There are still plenty of places in and around SD where you can get a decent house for $299k.  My friend just bought a 2100 sq. ft. house built in 2004 for 265k on 1/2 acre.  The house sold for 600k at the peak.  It can be done but you will have to give up on living a couple of blocks from the beach.</p>
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		<title>By: CA renter</title>
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		<dc:creator>CA renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susie,

Where did you look?

As a fellow native Californian, I empathize with you.  It&#039;s a wonder that people who have no connections here are willing to move here from other places.  There&#039;s no way in heck we&#039;d still be living here if we weren&#039;t native with family, life-long friends, work, and &quot;familiar places&quot; to hold us back.  I envy people who live in other states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susie,</p>
<p>Where did you look?</p>
<p>As a fellow native Californian, I empathize with you.  It&#8217;s a wonder that people who have no connections here are willing to move here from other places.  There&#8217;s no way in heck we&#8217;d still be living here if we weren&#8217;t native with family, life-long friends, work, and &#8220;familiar places&#8221; to hold us back.  I envy people who live in other states.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Realtor malpractice&quot; (JtR)

*Chuckle* Another classic! And that $920K cash house? Surely I can make some sense of it with the info Jim shared with his readers. Perhaps putting it down in black &amp; white will make my (real estate) brain stop hurting. Here goes:

1. 1,658 sf on a 2/3 acre lot
2. 6/2009: On courthouse steps at $635K--no takers
3. Bank took back
4. Listed at $849K
5. 9/2009 Sold! $920K CASH *Only $80K to $1 million!*
6. *Calculator Whirling* $554/sf

Nope, that didn&#039;t help! Add me to the &quot;Yikes&quot; crowd. I&#039;m very curious. How long was it listed before it went into escrow, Jim? 

*Sigh* No wonder I&#039;m considering leaving my beloved CA (I&#039;ve spent most of my life here and am a native). But it&#039;s a difficult choice for me: Become a homeowner again after 7 longs years of renting but that means leaving many cherished friends. If I do make that choice, a big mahalo to the Wright Brothers.  

I agreed with Jim&#039;s advice to me, and recently hopped on a plane, and found what would be an over $1 million house (where I currently live) that&#039;s listed for just $299K. All I ever needed (or wanted) tucked into 2,123 sf! And the LIST price is $299K or $140/sf.   

The finish work mirrored my late husband&#039;s quality of work and he was, IMO, the best finish carpenter on the planet. 

I wish I could come to a decision. It could be one of the best choices of my life or one of the worst. I just don&#039;t know. And it&#039;s my last home, so that adds pressure to the whole dilemma. 

This is why I&#039;m taking my time to look at all worst-case scenarios. I probably won&#039;t come to a decision until at least January 1st...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Realtor malpractice&#8221; (JtR)</p>
<p>*Chuckle* Another classic! And that $920K cash house? Surely I can make some sense of it with the info Jim shared with his readers. Perhaps putting it down in black &amp; white will make my (real estate) brain stop hurting. Here goes:</p>
<p>1. 1,658 sf on a 2/3 acre lot<br />
2. 6/2009: On courthouse steps at $635K&#8211;no takers<br />
3. Bank took back<br />
4. Listed at $849K<br />
5. 9/2009 Sold! $920K CASH *Only $80K to $1 million!*<br />
6. *Calculator Whirling* $554/sf</p>
<p>Nope, that didn&#8217;t help! Add me to the &#8220;Yikes&#8221; crowd. I&#8217;m very curious. How long was it listed before it went into escrow, Jim? </p>
<p>*Sigh* No wonder I&#8217;m considering leaving my beloved CA (I&#8217;ve spent most of my life here and am a native). But it&#8217;s a difficult choice for me: Become a homeowner again after 7 longs years of renting but that means leaving many cherished friends. If I do make that choice, a big mahalo to the Wright Brothers.  </p>
<p>I agreed with Jim&#8217;s advice to me, and recently hopped on a plane, and found what would be an over $1 million house (where I currently live) that&#8217;s listed for just $299K. All I ever needed (or wanted) tucked into 2,123 sf! And the LIST price is $299K or $140/sf.   </p>
<p>The finish work mirrored my late husband&#8217;s quality of work and he was, IMO, the best finish carpenter on the planet. </p>
<p>I wish I could come to a decision. It could be one of the best choices of my life or one of the worst. I just don&#8217;t know. And it&#8217;s my last home, so that adds pressure to the whole dilemma. </p>
<p>This is why I&#8217;m taking my time to look at all worst-case scenarios. I probably won&#8217;t come to a decision until at least January 1st&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: doug r</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are people jumping into large lots with a good view in anticipation of walking away from their McMansions? With that Option-ARM wave coming, I don&#039;t see how this price range has anywhere to go but down. The new house building market is gone, and who&#039;s going to want to pay that much for a beat-on 1500 square foot place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are people jumping into large lots with a good view in anticipation of walking away from their McMansions? With that Option-ARM wave coming, I don&#8217;t see how this price range has anywhere to go but down. The new house building market is gone, and who&#8217;s going to want to pay that much for a beat-on 1500 square foot place?</p>
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