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		<title>By: LV Renter</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/07/10/more-on-neg-am-loans/comment-page-1/#comment-18041</link>
		<dc:creator>LV Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim

Did you just read CR and see the article on there are few preventable foreclosures.  They talked about postponing the inevitable trough modification, which in the long run will lose the bank more money not less.  I would lump increasing max loan to pick a pay with that analysis.

I read you were excited about NoCoCivil who found a pick a pay that starting to amortize in a short period.  If this happened most of the time why would you want any extension of total balance owed (ie move to 125%) wouldn&#039;t it just create few properties for sale ad infinitum.  If his example was most of the loans there would be no problem at all.

The last point is that banks don&#039;t print money.  Banks borrow money and pay staff.  Right now with Option ARMs banks continually need to borrow money to pay lenders and employers cause pick a pay does not cover their (the banks) borrowing expense.  So yes there is no foreclosure loss with the extension, but the bank can still run out of money and go out of business like WaMu or Wachovia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim</p>
<p>Did you just read CR and see the article on there are few preventable foreclosures.  They talked about postponing the inevitable trough modification, which in the long run will lose the bank more money not less.  I would lump increasing max loan to pick a pay with that analysis.</p>
<p>I read you were excited about NoCoCivil who found a pick a pay that starting to amortize in a short period.  If this happened most of the time why would you want any extension of total balance owed (ie move to 125%) wouldn&#8217;t it just create few properties for sale ad infinitum.  If his example was most of the loans there would be no problem at all.</p>
<p>The last point is that banks don&#8217;t print money.  Banks borrow money and pay staff.  Right now with Option ARMs banks continually need to borrow money to pay lenders and employers cause pick a pay does not cover their (the banks) borrowing expense.  So yes there is no foreclosure loss with the extension, but the bank can still run out of money and go out of business like WaMu or Wachovia.</p>
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		<title>By: doug r</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Stockton-Merced-Tracey pricing is working its way west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Stockton-Merced-Tracey pricing is working its way west.</p>
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		<title>By: Genius</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/07/10/more-on-neg-am-loans/comment-page-1/#comment-18024</link>
		<dc:creator>Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look in Riverside county over the past year or so you can see quite a few properties going at 75% off.  They aren&#039;t what I&#039;d consider common, but they are out there.

Here&#039;s one in Brentwood for ~60% off:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Brentwood/2037-Sage-Sparrow-St-94513/home/2108375

Leading indicator or exception?  We&#039;ll find out soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look in Riverside county over the past year or so you can see quite a few properties going at 75% off.  They aren&#8217;t what I&#8217;d consider common, but they are out there.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one in Brentwood for ~60% off:<br />
<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Brentwood/2037-Sage-Sparrow-St-94513/home/2108375" rel="nofollow">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Brentwood/2037-Sage-Sparrow-St-94513/home/2108375</a></p>
<p>Leading indicator or exception?  We&#8217;ll find out soon enough.</p>
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		<title>By: calhousebear</title>
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		<dc:creator>calhousebear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I wonder if my LL had a Pick a Pay Loan.  Interestingly enough, LL bought the place around March of 06 and we just found out via public records that LL stopped paying in March of this year.  Would make sense.

If our LL is in this situation, how many others are in the same?  This December (suspect when the bank will finally get around to completing the foreclosure) and early next spring may be a very bleak time for the 700k plus market unless you are a qualified buyer....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I wonder if my LL had a Pick a Pay Loan.  Interestingly enough, LL bought the place around March of 06 and we just found out via public records that LL stopped paying in March of this year.  Would make sense.</p>
<p>If our LL is in this situation, how many others are in the same?  This December (suspect when the bank will finally get around to completing the foreclosure) and early next spring may be a very bleak time for the 700k plus market unless you are a qualified buyer&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sdbri</title>
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		<dc:creator>sdbri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pick-a-Pays, otherwise known as &quot;renting from the bank&quot;.  And that&#039;s if you manage to pay the interest.  Pay less than that, and it&#039;s &quot;a new HELOC every month&quot;.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pick-a-Pays, otherwise known as &#8220;renting from the bank&#8221;.  And that&#8217;s if you manage to pay the interest.  Pay less than that, and it&#8217;s &#8220;a new HELOC every month&#8221;.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ginger,
Fortunately I don&#039;t live in Brentwood. I do business there.... or used to until the bottom fell out. There is a city tax. They don&#039;t call it Mello Roos .It is just collected by the city of Brentwood and amounts to about an extra $1000 a year in property taxes. There is no HOA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ginger,<br />
Fortunately I don&#8217;t live in Brentwood. I do business there&#8230;. or used to until the bottom fell out. There is a city tax. They don&#8217;t call it Mello Roos .It is just collected by the city of Brentwood and amounts to about an extra $1000 a year in property taxes. There is no HOA.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irene,

Do you pay mello roos tax? If so, do you know the assesment district name? 

Thanks for the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irene,</p>
<p>Do you pay mello roos tax? If so, do you know the assesment district name? </p>
<p>Thanks for the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They bought a home for $920,000 in 2007 from the builder. It was $770.000 and they added an array of upgrades. The same model just sold on their street for $280,000.&quot;

My aunt and uncle are in this same situation. They bought in an upper-end tract near Naples, FL.

There are many areas that have been harder-hit than even the subprime areas of San Diego. My aunt and uncle had the unfortunate timing of &quot;retiring&quot; right at the peak of the boom and buying a house in what is now called &quot;Ground Zero&quot; of the housing bust.

We visited them a couple years ago and had fun counting the banks. I commented that 50% of these tiny banks (there were 3-4 in every strip mall) would be out of business in 5 years. This caused my uncle to grimace. As the former CEO of a small bank, he knew all too well what kind of margins most of these banks were operating on.

My aunt and uncle were devastated by the financial crisis. Probably got hit worse than anyone I know (I don&#039;t know any Madoff victims, however.) They are still living in the house, but you can see the strain in their faces and voices.

-Erica

P.S. I will testify to Brentwood. I worked in Pittsburg and had a boss who lived there. Prices have dropped some 70-80%, and everyone who once lived there is gone. Who can afford the A/C bill on a 4500&#039; house in the middle of a desert that requires a 150mi round-trip commute to most jobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They bought a home for $920,000 in 2007 from the builder. It was $770.000 and they added an array of upgrades. The same model just sold on their street for $280,000.&#8221;</p>
<p>My aunt and uncle are in this same situation. They bought in an upper-end tract near Naples, FL.</p>
<p>There are many areas that have been harder-hit than even the subprime areas of San Diego. My aunt and uncle had the unfortunate timing of &#8220;retiring&#8221; right at the peak of the boom and buying a house in what is now called &#8220;Ground Zero&#8221; of the housing bust.</p>
<p>We visited them a couple years ago and had fun counting the banks. I commented that 50% of these tiny banks (there were 3-4 in every strip mall) would be out of business in 5 years. This caused my uncle to grimace. As the former CEO of a small bank, he knew all too well what kind of margins most of these banks were operating on.</p>
<p>My aunt and uncle were devastated by the financial crisis. Probably got hit worse than anyone I know (I don&#8217;t know any Madoff victims, however.) They are still living in the house, but you can see the strain in their faces and voices.</p>
<p>-Erica</p>
<p>P.S. I will testify to Brentwood. I worked in Pittsburg and had a boss who lived there. Prices have dropped some 70-80%, and everyone who once lived there is gone. Who can afford the A/C bill on a 4500&#8242; house in the middle of a desert that requires a 150mi round-trip commute to most jobs?</p>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city is Brentwood. There are two developments that sold in the upper $900,000..... Last week we had Wachovia come to our Board meeting. They are pushing us to do short sales. They cannot legally give us the names of all the people who have these neg-ams but they told us to look at the NOD&#039;s and then go after the owners. They will work with us but they still will have the verbage about recourse in the docs.I cannot see them attempting recourse, since they will probably be counter sues for placing all these people in these things in the first place. They claim they can close these short sales in 30 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city is Brentwood. There are two developments that sold in the upper $900,000&#8230;.. Last week we had Wachovia come to our Board meeting. They are pushing us to do short sales. They cannot legally give us the names of all the people who have these neg-ams but they told us to look at the NOD&#8217;s and then go after the owners. They will work with us but they still will have the verbage about recourse in the docs.I cannot see them attempting recourse, since they will probably be counter sues for placing all these people in these things in the first place. They claim they can close these short sales in 30 days.</p>
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		<title>By: NoCoCivil</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoCoCivil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it hard to believe that anything purchased in that price range in 2007 has depreciated by 70%.  If so that&#039;s incredible and very unfortunate for your friends.  I live in an area of San Diego (Kensington) where most homes are in that price range and it seems like we&#039;re off about 10-15% since early 07. I would imagine that making the decision to walk away when you are 10,20 or even 25% underwater might be tough, but 70%?  That seems like a no-brainer unless you&#039;re betting on hyper-inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hard to believe that anything purchased in that price range in 2007 has depreciated by 70%.  If so that&#8217;s incredible and very unfortunate for your friends.  I live in an area of San Diego (Kensington) where most homes are in that price range and it seems like we&#8217;re off about 10-15% since early 07. I would imagine that making the decision to walk away when you are 10,20 or even 25% underwater might be tough, but 70%?  That seems like a no-brainer unless you&#8217;re betting on hyper-inflation.</p>
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