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		<title>By: CA renter</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15173</link>
		<dc:creator>CA renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 07:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the World Savings/Wachovia portfolio:

&lt;i&gt;A loan-to-value ratio of 107 percent is bad enough, but it is an average and many loans are in much worse shape. For loans in California, the average is now 120 percent, and the figure is no doubt much higher in such troubled areas as the Central Valley and the so-called Inland Empire, where nearly a third of the California loans were made. Wachovia estimated that last September the loan-to-value ratio in the Central Valley was 132 percent. Since then, the median sales price of homes in that area has fallen another 20 percent.

In all, more than 70 percent of the pick-a-pay loans are in California, Arizona or Florida, three states where prices rose the fastest during the boom and have since fallen the most. Wells says it thinks 61 percent of the loans in those three states will not be paid as required by the mortgage, in contrast to 36 percent of the loans in other states.&lt;/i&gt;

 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/economy/15norris.html?_r=1&amp;pagewanted=all


While these neg-am loans might have their place among the very wealthy (who have the cash to pay off the mortgage if necessary, but choose to invest their money elsewhere where they get a much higher return), it is totally irresponsible to offer these loans to the average mortgage borrower, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the World Savings/Wachovia portfolio:</p>
<p><i>A loan-to-value ratio of 107 percent is bad enough, but it is an average and many loans are in much worse shape. For loans in California, the average is now 120 percent, and the figure is no doubt much higher in such troubled areas as the Central Valley and the so-called Inland Empire, where nearly a third of the California loans were made. Wachovia estimated that last September the loan-to-value ratio in the Central Valley was 132 percent. Since then, the median sales price of homes in that area has fallen another 20 percent.</p>
<p>In all, more than 70 percent of the pick-a-pay loans are in California, Arizona or Florida, three states where prices rose the fastest during the boom and have since fallen the most. Wells says it thinks 61 percent of the loans in those three states will not be paid as required by the mortgage, in contrast to 36 percent of the loans in other states.</i></p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/economy/15norris.html?_r=1&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/economy/15norris.html?_r=1&amp;pagewanted=all</a></p>
<p>While these neg-am loans might have their place among the very wealthy (who have the cash to pay off the mortgage if necessary, but choose to invest their money elsewhere where they get a much higher return), it is totally irresponsible to offer these loans to the average mortgage borrower, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: CA renter</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15161</link>
		<dc:creator>CA renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Why would the higher LTV and longer duration make those better?  

I assume it would make them worse, because the borrowers would be further underwater, and the RE cycle (if all loans were like this) would have an extended downturn, no?  Doesn&#039;t this just push the problem further down the road?

I&#039;ve known a few borrowers who got World Savings&#039; neg-am loans, and they were NOT qualified borrowers (how I define &quot;qualified&quot; -- they are able to actually pay off the loan).  Marion and Herb were geniuses, and made their exit at exactly the right time.  They knew exactly what they were doing, IMHO.  It was easy to see, with even a minimum of due dilligence, to see that a large portion (most?) of their portfolio would default over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Why would the higher LTV and longer duration make those better?  </p>
<p>I assume it would make them worse, because the borrowers would be further underwater, and the RE cycle (if all loans were like this) would have an extended downturn, no?  Doesn&#8217;t this just push the problem further down the road?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known a few borrowers who got World Savings&#8217; neg-am loans, and they were NOT qualified borrowers (how I define &#8220;qualified&#8221; &#8212; they are able to actually pay off the loan).  Marion and Herb were geniuses, and made their exit at exactly the right time.  They knew exactly what they were doing, IMHO.  It was easy to see, with even a minimum of due dilligence, to see that a large portion (most?) of their portfolio would default over time.</p>
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		<title>By: CA renter</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15160</link>
		<dc:creator>CA renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kevin wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Only in America can you borrow a half million dollars, never pay it back, and attack those that gave it to you. These people make me want to throw up. I have no love for the banks, but these folks are truly despicable.&lt;/i&gt;
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Love that quote!  :)  How very accurate, and really gets to the heart of all our problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kevin wrote:</p>
<p><i>Only in America can you borrow a half million dollars, never pay it back, and attack those that gave it to you. These people make me want to throw up. I have no love for the banks, but these folks are truly despicable.</i><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Love that quote!  <img src='http://www.bubbleinfo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   How very accurate, and really gets to the heart of all our problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Former RB Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15151</link>
		<dc:creator>Former RB Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a lawyer in private practice and we represent a ton of financial institutions.  Like any large firm, when we need to, we will be as assertive as necessary to get what we want for a clinet.  That this guy is very demanding of banks to get what he wants for borrowers seems fair.  Banks hire people to protect the interests at all costs.  Homeowners should do the same if necessary.  Its a fair fight with the homeowners having some represenation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a lawyer in private practice and we represent a ton of financial institutions.  Like any large firm, when we need to, we will be as assertive as necessary to get what we want for a clinet.  That this guy is very demanding of banks to get what he wants for borrowers seems fair.  Banks hire people to protect the interests at all costs.  Homeowners should do the same if necessary.  Its a fair fight with the homeowners having some represenation.</p>
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		<title>By: GeneK</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15137</link>
		<dc:creator>GeneK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he was doing this to anyone other than mortgage bankers, it would be a bad thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he was doing this to anyone other than mortgage bankers, it would be a bad thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sdbri</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15129</link>
		<dc:creator>sdbri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travertin, someone should post up a website with his photo labeled &quot;Child predator&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travertin, someone should post up a website with his photo labeled &#8220;Child predator&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sdbri</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15128</link>
		<dc:creator>sdbri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scumbags are nothing new.  When they fail, they always resort to violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scumbags are nothing new.  When they fail, they always resort to violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15126</link>
		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got 4.375% on my recent home purchase.  I did have to buy some points, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got 4.375% on my recent home purchase.  I did have to buy some points, though.</p>
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		<title>By: ArtEclectic</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15125</link>
		<dc:creator>ArtEclectic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it really is true, there is no honor amongst thieves.  

(hums a bar of &quot;Money for Nothing.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it really is true, there is no honor amongst thieves.  </p>
<p>(hums a bar of &#8220;Money for Nothing.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Realtor</title>
		<link>http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2009/05/21/real-estatebank-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-15123</link>
		<dc:creator>Desert Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Wachovia (Goldenwest)Pick-A-Pay loans have prepayment penalties.  Have friends that paid $9000 ppp in order to refi last year.  It pays to read the fine print, which many borrowers do not do.  The borrowers I&#039;m referencing were &quot;assured&quot; by the loan agent that there was no prepayment penalty and signed the docs without reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Wachovia (Goldenwest)Pick-A-Pay loans have prepayment penalties.  Have friends that paid $9000 ppp in order to refi last year.  It pays to read the fine print, which many borrowers do not do.  The borrowers I&#8217;m referencing were &#8220;assured&#8221; by the loan agent that there was no prepayment penalty and signed the docs without reading.</p>
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