Sunday, September 16th, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Coffee Bet, Results

coffimages.jpgA year ago today was the beginning of the cup of coffee bet – Robert said he’d buy a cup of coffee if there were any neighborhoods that WEREN’T down more than 10% down in price.

Two of the three neighborhoods I named as possibilities were Olde Carlsbad and Terramar – both are older neighborhoods with individually-built homes, which are tougher to compare, apples-for-apples.

Let’s cut to the chase, the bet rides on the third neighborhood, the Davidson tract in La Costa Oaks.

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Davidson La Costa Oaks homes in 2006:

Plan One 3,739 sf model

7/5/06                 $1,144,500

7/28/06              $930,000

8/7/06                 $1,085,000

10/20/06           $1,275,000

11/8/06               $1,161,500

Average $1,119,200  Median $1,144,500

Plan Two 4,000 sf model

7/5/06                 $1,298,000

8/7/06                 $1,172,000

Average $1,235,000

Plan Three 4,337 sf model

9/27/06              $1,250,000

Generally, sales of all three models would have to be in the $1,100,000 to $1,200,000 range in September 2007 to win the bet.

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Summary of recent 2007 sales:

Plan One sales

5/14/07  $1.2 million (former model home)

7/16/07  $1.175 million

7/27/07  $1.130 million

Hanging around $1.1 million?

Plan Two sales

6/19/07  $1.05 million

6/13/07  $1.167 million

7/11/07  $1.2 million

8/23/07  $1.255 million

On the increase…..

Plan Three

No sales last four months.

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Like Robert has said, the data tends to be scattered, especially the smaller subsets.  But generally the solds have held in the $1.1 million to $1.2 million range.

How about the active listings?

Plan Two listed on the range $1.189 to $1.249, since May. 

Plan Three listed for $1.425 million, on market since May.

How about the pendings?

The latest comps will be these pendings when they close.  We saw the REO list for a VERY attractive price a couple of months ago, and even though the listing agent had said it would take two weeks for the bank to respond, it went pending in eight days.  I believe it fell out since, and went right back into escrow with a new buyer.  All of these should be closing soon, and if it weren’t for the REO – I think I’d be OK.

Three pendings, all Plan One 3,743 sf (List prices)

$989,900 Bare bones, east view, smaller yard, REO.  DOM: 8

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$1,150,000 Good-sized yard, no view. DOM: 108

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$1,475,000 – $1,575,000 Best SW view, premium lot. DOM: 38

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The agent of the one above confirmed that it should be closing any day, at a sales price above the bottom of the range, $1,475,000.

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There is a qualifier.  While I took the bet to be a 10% decline over the past year, Robert actually said:

"I’ll buy you that $4 cup of coffee if you can find anything that isn’t off at least 10% from the peak this time next year."

The ‘peak’ is different than just the last twelve months, but these homes were built and sold in 2005 and 2006.  The first phases in 2005 were selling in the $900,000s, without landscaping.

Would you say I won the bet?  Or just lucky?

Here is the post that started it all:

http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2006/09/16/grand-poobah-of-predictions/

 

Reader Comments: 6 Responses

  1. Do I understand correctly that this is the "same house" on different plots… 500K difference?

    Interesting.

  2. I know that homes in the Pulte La Costa Oaks area (up the hill from the Davidson tract noted here) could vary about 500K for the same house on different lots. I don’t think the variation was the high when new, but my folks’ have an ocean view lot there, whereas the same houses in a culdesac without views and a slope behind them were about $300K difference in 2005.

  3. Jim,

    Looks like you won a cup of java.

    I bet you won’t take that same bet again over the next 12 months. If so-then throw in a dozen doughnuts bet from me.

    The Feds may sweeten the pot; but the market that’s brewing is not smelling so hot.

  4. Jim,

    I think if we reissued the bet for another year, you’ll win again. There are few neighborhoods that just will not drop 10% yoy.

  5. Jim,

    you did win the bet as some areas held up well. The RE market isn’t good but some areas are still doing ok as the economy is still humming along. Would expect 2008 to see increased acceleration in price drops.

  6. Jim,
    I think by only using a neighborhood built/sold during the peak the bet is too skewed in your favor. No room for these ones to move down and the ARM resets probably haven’t hit the area yet.(2yr ARM late 2005 won’t adjust until late this year, any bought on a 2yr ARM in 2006 won’t adjust until next year).

    How much did the one REO originally sell for and when? Also, on the ones that sold this year, how much had the seller invested in landscaping/pools? That could be the 10% right there seeing as they sold for about the same as last year…

    Do you have any examples from the other 2 neighborhoods you picked????

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